As CS has stated, your inflammatory comments are not helping. Show us some evidence. Are defector reports 100% credible? No, but they are somewhere to start. You have showed nothing.

What about the people here:
http://freekorea.us/camps/14-18

and here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodok_concentratio...

and here

http://freekorea.us/camps/22

What about the thousands that starve while the elite gorge themselves?

No one is looking for an “I told you so” moment here. The truth hurts, but it is what it is.

Anyone who 'looks forward' to seeing baseless allegations of racially motivated infanticide being an actual reality, just so they can slap themselves on the back and crow “i told you so”, does not deserve any serious response.

I'm impressed with your mindreading talents, limited as they are to forensically identifying the intent behind internet comments. (They'd be more useful in identifying ample evidence that the North Koreans do not murder children.) Can you share with us the thoughts Mr. Stanton shared that allowed you to divine this?

I'm still waiting on that ample evidence. Or indeed, a refutation of the links now piling up against your position.

I think this disturbing statement says all that needs to be said about Stanton's twisted outlook.

Anyone who 'looks forward' to seeing baseless allegations of racially motivated infanticide being an actual reality, just so they can slap themselves on the back and crow “i told you so”, does not deserve any serious response.

Second, are you asking me whether I believe that a psychotic regime that starves its citizens to death would freely murder half-Han (as an aside, a China considers Han born anywhere to be Chinese citizens, but takes a somewhat more muddled approach to half-Han) infants in or ex utero, but wouldn't upset too badly one of its favorite propaganda tools? And if I expect anyone not dedicated to protecting those psychopaths to believe this?

Yes. Yes, I do.

I'll add some detail from Mr. Stanton. It has two advantages: First, it's verifiable. Second, it's supported by media reports, which is more than anything you've bothered with to date. Feel free to actually produce some responsive evidence to refute this monstrous lie. If you can find any of that “ample evidence,” that is.

Dresnok did not exactly “settle” in North Korea, and he did not marry a “racially pure” Korean. Dresnok was one of a handful of US Army
deserters who defected to North Korea in the 1960's. The North Koreans
used Dresnok as an enforcer against other defectors, who came to hate
the regime for the way it tortured, indoctrinated, and isolated them. All of them lived among non-Korean abductees, some of whom were gifted to those deserters as wives. Dresnok was first given Romanian abductee Doina Bumbea as a wife — a beautiful young woman who was kidnapped from Italy, where she lived with her husband. Doina eventually died in captivity, and a woman born to a North Korean mother and <span style=”text-decoration: underline;”></span>a Togolese diplomat was made his second wife.

What this tells us is that these foreigners were kept isolated from
North Korean society, and that racially impure Koreans were married off to
other non-Koreans to preserve the purity of the bloodline. I suspect Dresnok's own son will have limited opportunities in his career and social life. The facts behind the commenter's asserted half-truths only prove my point.

As for the statement questioning the reports of racial infanticide,
we have no direct evidence to prove it because North Korea is the
world's most closed society, which has, at various times, denied that
it has concentration camps or human rights violations, and claimed that Kim Jong Il
was born on Mount Paektu as a great star shone in the sky and flowers
bloomed. It officially refers to itself as a “Democratic Peoples' Republic.”

As I stated in the article, and as numerous published sources besides the BBC have reported, multiple defectors allege that North Korea kills the born and unborn infants of North Korean women suspected of having half-Chinese babies. I stand by the statement and look forward to the day when first-hand confirmation is possible. Until then, any demand for direct evidence is nothing more than an intellectually lazy exercise in the denial of that which some would prefer not to believe.

By the way, the term is “rhetoric,” not “semantics.” Thus, when I note that you've failed to prove any point you could possibly be trying to make, I am not playing with words, I am noting a profound logical error on your part.

I'll wait for some ample evidence.

Do you really beleive that? Do you really expect anyone to beleive that?

Instead of trying to sideline your argument into semantics, why not just admit that this article is peddling a lie. A deeply unpleasant lie at that. A baseless accusation at best.

There is ample evidence to contradict Stantons claims. To keep asserting the contrary just makes you look as foolish as it makes the author Stanton look like a liar and a fanatic.

Second, my counter-argument is that (1) you don't even understand what Stanton said; (2) if you did, you wouldn't ask the questions you're asking here; (3) your conclusions are based on a logical fallacy; and (4) your reductio ad Hitlerum says everything that needs to be said.

Let's take that in order.

Here is what Stanton said:

according to the accounts of multiple defectors, it kills any children born to or carried by North Korean refugee women repatriated from China, and whose babies are presumably half Chinese.

That is all that he said. His “outrageous claim” is that multiple defectors have alleged that the Kim regime murders children born to or carried by North Korean women repatriated from China.

Read that sentence carefully. Note the article to which it links. Read the article. Pause and think.

In response, you say, Oh no! Here are two Americans (not Chinese) who married Koreans (well, one married a Korean, one married a Japanese lady who'd been abducted from Japan), who did not, in fact, escape North Korea before they started birthin', and who've had children with those women, said children of whom have, at least so we infer, survived. (We have to infer, because though the one whose children are half-Korean had children, we're short on detail on where the grandkids might be, or whether those children live.)

So! you assert, Shows Stanton! Hitler!

Well, no. What it shows is precisely this: That North Korea allowed one of its great propaganda trophies to survive and breed with Korean women. Presumably, those children are still alive. What it does not show is that the statement “The regime is sufficiently dedicated to preserving the purity of the Korean race that, according to the accounts of multiple defectors, it kills any children born to or carried by North Korean refugee women repatriated from China, and whose babies are presumably half Chinese,” or even the statement “[North Korea] kills any children born to or carried by North Korean refugee women repatriated from China, and whose babies are presumably half Chinese,” is outrageous, false, or any synonym for these, with or without adverbial modification. Read the sentence again, and look for the words “American,” “propaganda tools,” or “we have forensic evidence.”

Finally, as noted, you are engaged in a logical fallacy, but I already explained that and it didn't sink in, so I see no need to repeat myself.

P.S. Glad to see the Nazi stuff went away. How about we keep it that way?

This is demonstrably untrue with not a shred of evidence provided to back it up.

Except, you know, the BBC article it links. Aside from that, evidence-free.

Foreigners, including Americans, who have settled in the DPRK have married and raised families with Koreans.

You cite as your example the tale of two men whose value to the Kims is inestimable and from that we should infer an entire national approach to interracial births? Well, ok. You have one logical error, Joshua has only second-hand, if well-documented, reports. How to resolve this? No real way. But maybe somewhere in all of this there are nuggets to suggest one side or the other is right, and the other wrong. Where to go, where to go…

Oh, I know:

A joint bid for asylum at the Soviet embassy in 1966 was rejected and the four [Americans who lived happy, peaceful lives with their Korean families] were forced to undergo intense re-education, which included learning North Korea's official Juche ideology.

Within five weeks of the meeting, however, Charles Jenkins' story became known to the whole world when he left North Korea to be reunited with his wife in Japan.

That's from your source, bub. Now, if you've paid any attention to the region, Jenkins's name will sound familiar. Let's zoom over to Wikipedia, which if nothing else is good for his side of the story:

Information about Jenkins' status was unavailable outside North Korea for many years. Jenkins says he almost immediately regretted his defection. He says that he and three other U.S. servicemen, Larry Abshier, Jerry Parrish and James Dresnok, were quarantined in a one-room house with no running water until 1972, where they were made to study the Juche philosophy of Kim Il-sung. They were forced to memorize large passages of Kim's in Korean, and beaten frequently.

In 1980, Jenkins was introduced to Hitomi Soga, a 21-year-old Japanese nurse who had been abducted by North Korean agents in 1978, along with her mother, during a search for Japanese citizens who could train future spies in Japanese language and culture. Soga's mother was never heard from again, and Soga was “given to” Jenkins. Soga and Jenkins fell in love, and thirty-eight days after meeting, they were married. They had two daughters, Roberta Mika Jenkins (born 1983) and Brinda Carol Jenkins (born 1985). In 1982, Jenkins appeared in the epic North Korean film Nameless Heroes, which provided the first evidence to the Western world that he was alive. The U.S. government did not publicly reveal this information until 1996.

Well, golly, looks like they did have two lovely girls who weren't massacred, but even the fellow they treated as a propaganda victory got his whuppin' for years.

So, all we have are the secondhand reports Mr. Stanton mentioned, against your … inferential … assertion that those reports “are so clearly untrue.” At best, your definitive stance is not supported by the evidence. At worst, you are guilty of being terminally silly.

The rest of your comment, Col. Godwin, is not germane here. It does, however, tell anyone reading this all they need to know about the Hermit Kingdom's apologists.

This is demonstrably untrue with not a shred of evidence provided to back it up.

Foreigners, including Americans, who have settled in the DPRK have married and raised families with Koreans. eg: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6...

There are many things you can justifiably criticise the DPRK for, but telling such outrageous and offensive lies really doesnt help your arguement, especially when they are so clearly untrue.

Indeed, wasn't it the Nazi propagandist Joseph Geobbels who advocated 'The Big Lie' as a means of discrediting enemies based upon misinterpretation, decontextualised accusation and outright fabrication? Now who is taking lessons from the Nazi's?

How could I resist? But the link is not working.